Kjerstin Burdiek - 2022-10-25 17:30:17
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Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 17:49:44
It is interesting that sanctions around Internet connectivity actually hinders distribution of truth, hence it harms the wrong people. I wonder if this is clear to all?
Andrew Campling - 2022-10-25 17:52:15
The counterpoint is that it can also hinder the distribution of misinformation. And of course, having a visible, negative impact on a country is part of the rational of having sanctions.
Chris Buckridge - 2022-10-25 17:53:23
@Kurt, I think it becomes clear, and we are seeing different sanctioning parties (the US, the UK, the EU) adding in these after-the-fact exceptions for Internet services... ideally, "shifting the needle" means that these things are considered _before_ sanctions are developed and applied.
Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 17:53:26
Sure, all media could be used to transport misinformation, but more people have a direct access to distribute content from affected areas which might help to get a clearer picture what actually happens.
Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 17:54:14
@Chris I hope this gets understood very soon
Andrew Campling - 2022-10-25 17:55:06
@Kurt True, although I note the extensive use of Telegram channels by pro-war Russian bloggers.
Chris Buckridge - 2022-10-25 17:55:42
@Kurt I think the issue is that sanctions are done with urgency, in very dynamic environments, with many other factors (gas etc.) getting much more attention... so I wouldn't want to underestimate how challenging it might be to "bake in" that understanding.
Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 17:56:08
Platforms have a hard time to select content (right/wrong/illegal/threats, etc..)
Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 17:58:03
@Chris I would rather drive into the direction of desaster information (if human made or natural doesn't matter) which needs to reach helping parties as fast as possible. Turning off Internet-Services will kill so many ways to signal important data.
Chris Buckridge - 2022-10-25 17:58:35
@Kurt that could be quite a useful framing of the discussion
Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 17:58:50
+1 support to the speaking person!
Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 18:05:09
Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 18:20:05
Jan: you should consult EU-commission departments!
Dmitry Burkov - 2022-10-25 18:21:39
+1 to Remco
Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-25 18:31:44
I guess nobody doubts that sanctions generally work or have an effect. But there are ressources - say water. That cannot be stopped in order to FORCE any state to change its behavior. Internet to my opinion is very close to a human right (this discussion was started already) and should not be sanctioned.
Kjerstin Burdiek - 2022-10-25 18:57:54
This session has now ended. The next sessions will be the Address Policy and Routing WGs tomorrow starting at 09:00 (UTC+2). More info on the RIPE 85 meeting plan: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/