Erik Bais - 2022-10-26 10:31:40
We are having some issues with the next topic slides .. Ops is working on it.. we will start in a couple minutes

Maria Stafyla - 2022-10-26 10:33:50
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Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 10:35:22

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 10:37:27

Erik Bais - 2022-10-26 10:37:37
Woot woot !!

James Kennedy - 2022-10-26 10:38:01
and we're back :)

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 10:43:13
Ideally, v6 should be so attractive that people want to hand back old v4 space, since it's no more needed/necessary.

Elvis Daniel Velea - 2022-10-26 10:43:37

James Kennedy - 2022-10-26 10:50:44
@Elvis, your comment in the Q&A has been confirmed during the discussion :)

Elvis Daniel Velea - 2022-10-26 10:51:18
then I don’t understand why there’s a discussion :)

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 10:52:47
@Elvis you mean, since we agree anyway we should proceed with defining the changes?

Elvis Daniel Velea - 2022-10-26 10:53:38
I mean that sparse allocation definition is that allocation made by the NCC will allow every allocation to grow as much as possible

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 10:54:19
I would turn it around and define a nibble-boundary routing-obligation to support small v6-routing-tables. I hate fragmentation and deaggregation

Elvis Daniel Velea - 2022-10-26 10:56:40
ncc uses sparse allocation mechanism, allowing all allocations to grow more than just the 3 bits reserved..

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 10:56:49
the new "swamp" is ::/48s ?

Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 2022-10-26 10:57:40
+1 for nibble boundaries

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 11:01:38
suggestion: create an RPKI-object which allows to create more specifics up to /56 and announce so many prefices until some people scream. The filters may not be applied as fast as necessary to cover for all other prefix-lengths. No, please don't kill the routing system.

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 11:02:53
but this is probably more for the Routing-WG.. sorry.

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 11:13:36
so we need to check whether a transfer was voluntary or forced? That's pretty hard to decide.

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 11:18:38
I mean a fast transfer could also aimed towards saving it before it gets moved to an evil place.

Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 2022-10-26 11:22:34
Maybe the "big red button" can be made invisible once pushed. It may be part of the solution, but not the entire solution. Acknowledging there is a "complicated situation" in certain regions, which could lead to reinforcement of the procedures is another part or the solution.... maybe ....

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 11:23:25
what about: Any country with conflicts will get their resources locked until the conflict is resolved? Would it help or hinder?

Kurt Kayser - 2022-10-26 11:23:53
its hairy..

Andrii Pylypenko - 2022-10-26 11:24:00
We should mark all potential transactions in occupied territories of Ukraine as “under question” a request governmental authorities for additional proofs

Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 2022-10-26 11:25:10
yes, or do a "things can go in, but once in they stay where they are"

James Kennedy - 2022-10-26 11:25:32
Lots of comments here, which is great. You can speak to the room remotely if you wish

Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 2022-10-26 11:25:34
.... until stuff is solved .....

Andrii Pylypenko - 2022-10-26 11:25:43
The government of Ukraine does help businesses, not abuses them, so the most effective solution is cooperation with government of Ukraine in dealing with such potentiall requests

James Kennedy - 2022-10-26 11:26:27
If you want anything read out, please write it in the Q&A

James Kennedy - 2022-10-26 11:30:12
Hi Andrii, do you want to speak to the room? I can grant you permission

Georgi Hrabchak - 2022-10-26 11:30:37
I fully agree with Mr. Andrii Pylypenko above. I think that it`s fully obviously that all things, business on the occupied territories is under full contorll of russia and it`s proxies.
they occupied not only Ukraine`s territories, but other assets including IP-resourses

Maria Stafyla - 2022-10-26 11:31:22
This session has now ended. The next sessions are IPv6 and Connect WGs and it will start at 12:00. More info on the RIPE 85 meeting plan:

Georgi Hrabchak - 2022-10-26 11:31:35
RIPE NCC make double check all agreements with ukrainian entities from occupied territories and frozen in at least till the and of the war

James Kennedy - 2022-10-26 11:31:58
@Brian Storey, apologies I couldn't read out question but we run out of time. Would be great if you post it on the mailing list!

Brian Storey - 2022-10-26 11:32:06
Unfortunately my question wasn't read out, but for discussion anyway...

A lot is said about the hierarchical structure of Allocations and Assignments. It implies an authoritative structure should a lower level not be acting appropriately. This should apply to “gainers” as much as “loser” in the discussion we are having? There is also an Digital Principles consideration here , in particular regarding secure and trusted online environments.

Brian Storey - 2022-10-26 11:32:08
OK - sure.

James Kennedy - 2022-10-26 11:32:26
super, thank you :)