André Melancia - 2022-10-27 15:54:23
Spatial chat is mostly empty. Sad that there's not much interaction from remote people :(
Petra Zeidler - 2022-10-27 15:59:41
I was there, saw no-one I knew or who was talking, and left again. It needs some critical mass to start up.
Robert Scheck - 2022-10-27 16:02:20
In the past SpatialChat was in every daily e-mail. Today I even did not get a "get ready for day 4"-mail?
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 16:02:24
Is there a virtual dinner this year?
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 16:02:59
@robert: you want more marketing spam?
Bastiaan Goslings - 2022-10-27 16:03:08
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Robert Scheck - 2022-10-27 16:04:12
@randy: So far, one e-mail with the links and list of events for the day was helpful for me. Maybe they can put an "Afmeld" (unsubscribe) link to it like for the GM voting? :)
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 16:31:34
the ietf charges about twice as much and all you get are cookies
Oliver Payne - 2022-10-27 16:38:18
And we're trying so hard to get rid of cookies, @randy
Petra Zeidler - 2022-10-27 16:38:43
it might become necessary to charge a small amount for online attendance while that counts for voting, to prevent ballot stuffing
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 16:41:33
I think slowing down the discussion could be considered a feature, not a bug.
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 16:41:44
preventing ballot stuffing should be and is handled already by the voting process itself. but, fwiw, i agree with a small fee for online-only.
Gergana Petrova - 2022-10-27 16:42:27
shane, shall i read it?
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 16:42:43
No thanks Gergana! Sorry I should have been clear.
Robert Scheck - 2022-10-27 16:42:48
Ian Dickinson - 2022-10-27 16:45:02
moderation is working well, and should continue as is
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 16:50:30
I am surprised that people are so interested in allowing disruptive people from being able to disrupt discussions. :upside_down_face:
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 16:51:18
s/from being/to continue to be/
Brian Nisbet - 2022-10-27 16:51:21
Huge communities require moderation, it is a sad fact of humanity.
Brian Nisbet - 2022-10-27 16:51:58
And communities that are moderated are repeatedly shown to be healthier communities.
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 16:52:34
Everything may require moderation, but that is independent of auditing/accountability. Both can coexist.
Brian Nisbet - 2022-10-27 16:53:40
Please don't take anything I've said as suggesting otherwise, André.
Gergana Petrova - 2022-10-27 16:53:47
hi Andre, you've posted a question in the Q&A, but it is more of a comment. Do you want me to read it?
Petra Zeidler - 2022-10-27 16:53:59
if people are worried about who moderates the list, maybe have a moderation team that does round-robin?
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 16:54:10
@Gergana. Yes, please :)
Gergana Petrova - 2022-10-27 16:54:14
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 16:54:40
@Gergana, no need to read everything, just the hot parts.
Gergana Petrova - 2022-10-27 16:55:29
Rob Evans - 2022-10-27 16:55:57
Abuse of the list excludes people rather than assists inclusion though... (No need to read that out.)
Ian Dickinson - 2022-10-27 16:56:19
if community ends up so large, a mailing list won't be suitable regardless of moderation
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 16:56:21
I don't believe that there is such a thing as "common sense". It's a phrase that means, "what I think is obvious". (No need to read out, I'm just being snarky!)
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 16:56:40
@Rob totally agree!
Robert Scheck - 2022-10-27 16:56:43
Petra Zeidler - 2022-10-27 16:57:18
what definietly exists is good faith (or the lack thereof)
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 16:58:39
After this announcement, will the Secret WG continue to be secret?
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 16:59:35
Worst kept secret at RIPE. :smile:
Andreas Wittkemper - 2022-10-27 16:59:54
hidden in public
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:00:04
What's the time of it this time? Last time I was online and missed it somehow...
Stephen Strowes - 2022-10-27 17:00:26
not only are there poems/limericks, there's a limerick coordinator role: https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/lookup?source=ripe&key=LIM1-RIPE&type=person
Marco Davids - 2022-10-27 17:00:42
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:01:09
@Stephen... wow ;)
Monika Ermert - 2022-10-27 17:04:38
sing it, sing it, please!
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:04:51
Olivia Mijnals-Ruimwijk - 2022-10-27 17:05:43
yes that one was fantastic
Ian Dickinson - 2022-10-27 17:05:58
i used to work with Gary - he was known to sing on other occasions!
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 17:08:40
next year we'll form a secret working group task force </dripping sarcasm>
Rob Evans - 2022-10-27 17:08:55
There used to be an alias <secret-wg [at] ripe [dot] net> that could be used for submissions, does that still exist?
Rob Evans - 2022-10-27 17:09:08
Oh, the email was stripped from that comment.
Rob Evans - 2022-10-27 17:09:17
secret-wg at ripe.net
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 17:09:17
The first rule of the Secret Working Group Task Force is you don't talk about the Secret Working Group Task Force.
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 17:09:30
and a bit of xml was stripped from my snark
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:09:45
Is there a secret working group inside the secret working group?
Rob Evans - 2022-10-27 17:09:46
We are being watched.
Marco Davids - 2022-10-27 17:09:46
Sascha Lenz - 2022-10-27 17:09:59
TOTALLY shocked that the Secret WG was made public now! :scream:
Gergana Petrova - 2022-10-27 17:10:19
hi Wolfgang, do you still want me to read your question (as wee moved on to SWG?)
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:10:25
We need a new secret more secret WG
Jelte Jansen - 2022-10-27 17:10:52
Ian Dickinson - 2022-10-27 17:10:58
the purpose of the secret-wg is to keep you occupied whilst other things happen
Jelte Jansen - 2022-10-27 17:11:05
except that there is no secret wg, of course
Antoin Verschuren - 2022-10-27 17:11:32
Where can I find the Secret Working Group charter?
Rob Evans - 2022-10-27 17:11:56
Or chair selection policy?
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:11:58
It doesn't exist. It's a unicorn.
Unicorn Working Group.
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 17:12:53
Invisible Pink Unicorn Working Group.
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:13:16
Parallell Dimension Invisible Pink Unicorn Working Group.
Fergal Cunningham - 2022-10-27 17:14:53
The Secret Working Group wants some recruits
To write poems and create some hoots
So go see the Chair
And volunteer if you dare
Because humour can help solve disputes
Antoin Verschuren - 2022-10-27 17:15:07
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 17:15:24
@meetecho: video of in-room mic not showing
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:15:28
@Antoin, is this legit?
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 17:15:53
@Andre, as far as you know. :wink:
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 17:16:07
Tobia Castaldi - 2022-10-27 17:16:22
Thank you Randy!
Antoin Verschuren - 2022-10-27 17:18:18
@Andre: I'm not allowed to tell. Sorry.
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:18:39
Agreed with previous Q&A person (missed the name, red hair). We need some formality, but nothing wrong with some informal fun slots, which as far as I've seen, was always inclusive. :)
But I've seen nothing. Nothing ever happened.
Gergana Petrova - 2022-10-27 17:21:02
It was Franziska Lichtblau, PC Chair
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:22:11
Thank you for the clarification @Gergana! Agree entirely with @Franziska's comment :)
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:23:23
@Antoin, seems to stop at RIPE64. Did someone get arrested? ;)
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 17:24:11
Brian Nisbet - 2022-10-27 17:25:06
As Vesna rightly said, punch up. So much good humour to be mined in that.
Shane Kerr - 2022-10-27 17:26:18
I agree! As someone who is no longer a WG chair I am happy to be able to poke fun at all RIPE leadership now. :wink:
Bastiaan Goslings - 2022-10-27 17:27:07
This session has now ended. The next session is the Diversity in Tech and it will start at 18:00. More info on the RIPE 85 meeting plan: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/
Monika Ermert - 2022-10-27 17:27:42
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:27:44
Ah.... The famous concert :)
Joachim Ernst - 2022-10-27 17:27:51
Fergal Cunningham - 2022-10-27 17:28:02
My first RIPE Meeting. I thought this would happen every time :)
Robert Scheck - 2022-10-27 17:28:12
Is this video somewhere publicly available?
Rob Evans - 2022-10-27 17:28:38
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 17:28:45
look for "the day the routers died" on youtube
Robert Scheck - 2022-10-27 17:28:54
Oh, thanks :)
Fergal Cunningham - 2022-10-27 17:29:01
790K views! Wow.
Randy Bush - 2022-10-27 17:30:00
later that evening he started playing on the piano in the back of the kras and kras staff kicked him off :white_frowning_face:
Monika Ermert - 2022-10-27 17:30:12
it made the news, you know
Monika Ermert - 2022-10-27 17:30:15
Chris Buckridge - 2022-10-27 17:30:24
@Randy, we showed them - we stopped going there!
André Melancia - 2022-10-27 17:30:53
It's actually on youtube:
Olivia Mijnals-Ruimwijk - 2022-10-27 17:32:43
Brian Storey - 2022-10-27 17:32:50
Andreas Wittkemper - 2022-10-27 17:32:53
Everyone looked so young :)
Paul BD - 2022-10-27 17:35:40
I wish the audio bitrate was higher.
Rob Evans - 2022-10-27 17:41:07
It's also at about 1:21:30 at https://meetings.ripe.net/ripe-55/videos/plenary-8.mp4 Subjectively it sounds slightly better, but that could just be my ageing ears.